I don’t know if Broodhollow is just conditioning me to suspect everything, but I tend to mistrust new characters. Also a lot of the old ones. And quite a few inanimate objects.
Considering Iris’ response to this person/group’s return, you don’t even need it to be Broodhollow to suspect shit here.
That depends… i now suspect Iris is a lesbian or at-least bi! …so how paranoid am i?! ^^
*shrug* you aren’t the only one to come to that conclusion so probably not very. But you don’t panic that hard JUST because an old flame showed up again. Some kinda something went down.
In which of those three categories do ghosts fall in? I’m not sure if it would be old even if they are new to the comic as they are dead, or inanimate because… dead again… even though they can technically move.
I can understand the mayor, but isn’t Zane’s therapist the only other old guy? Planchett doesn’t seem to be too old, maybe in his late 30’s, considering Kris originally meant for his hair to be Jet-Black.
Heh. I meant “old” as in characters already introduced to the audience.
Whoops, my mistake.
The lawyers aren’t young …
You have good reason to distrust the inanimate objects in that town. (Some of them aren’t really inanimate, you know. SHUDDER.) I’m half-expecting a sub-plot involving Zane’s encyclopedias…
“Oh, I know lots of things. L̢O͞TS̵ Ơ͕͖͔F͏̢̦͚̲ ͏̧̨͚̙͔̱͔̞͖T͏̭̖̱̳̮͜ͅH̨̧̦̰̣̗̺̦͍̞͔̺̟̬͓̺͡Ì̧̗̹̜͚͚̮͓̻͍̙͟ͅN̨̯̥̮̺̘͈̳͓̣̞̺̺̬̦͕͠͡G̴̡̹͍̗͈̘͢͜͡ͅS̛̙̦̞̬͕̘̼̯̹͖͕̕ͅ!̶́͏̹̞͍̻͖̱̹͓̠̣͇͉͕̲̬͓̱̣”̷̵̶̻̦̳̯́͘
Please tell me that was an intentional Bill Cipher reference.
That novelist was pretty alright. What ever happened to him, anyway? Probably just left town.
We should ask the Bottlefly boys if they’ve seen him. Those three are pretty reliable.
Maybe Iris’ dad passed him on the highway. We’ll have to ask him when he gets back tomorrow.
Maris…it still makes me sad. Can’t wait to see what shenanigans are upcoming.
Does inanimate include dead?
*clutches at pearls*
The things they let young women get away with these days! Honestly, I never!
Every town has a black sheep, am I right?
She’s standing there all bifurcated!
Wait… thawed out? Iris? Hard to get hot in a winter that cold? Are they actual flowers?
Interesting. In what sense? Flowers personified? Flowers that others see as people? Do flowers just describe them like “I am a cat person?” or “the turtle is my spirit animal?”
Or are they people that have alarmingly flower like traits?
So, wait, Iris was part of some kinda barely-ambiguously lesbian street gang?
What…how…y’know lesbians exist out of *that* context, like, as people
But yes I was genuinely wondering that exact top comment, I’m glad it’s not just me
Sshhh… just let the internet do it’s work.
No like…lesbians does not equal porn…lesbians equals people
I think we are having very different conversations with each other
Yes, but I’m having the conversation we all want to have
Newsflash: Not everyone is a straight man. This is less the conversation “we all want to have” than “the conversation you want to have, while my skin crawls as I realize my existence is inherently sexualized by society at large.”
Wow, okay. I’m sorry, I was just trolling. But you brought up the lesbian thing though.
Uhm… no, it wasn’t. As we’ve repeatedly pointed out, lesbians exist as people. We’re not constantly sex.
I know you’re people, I’m not an idiot. As I pointed out I was trolling. I really was just being a dick.
But you said it was justified to bring up porn because lesbians were mentioned, because somehow mentioning that we exist automatically makes things about porn? You’re not just pretending to be a creepy dick at this point, sorry. You actually are one.
Hoooly shit are you that bored or trigger-fingered that you have to keep a two day old fight where your opponent *already* tried to apologise going? Jesus fuck let it go.
You… didn’t actually apologize, though. You gave a half-assed “It was your fault for mentioning lesbians anyway, and I’m just a troll” non-apology. That doesn’t make anything better.
Shut the fuck up.
Get back under the bridge.
Really motherfucker? This is now a week and a half old post; shut the fuck up. At this point I have already lost all respect for you as a person and have become just another triggered tumblrina dyke. DId something change in the last two weeks where the words “I’m sorry” followed by an admission of guilt not qualify as an apology? This was funny at first how i managed to string you along but now it’s just sad.
Stop. Replying. Dipshit.
Oooh! Using “triggered” as an insult, because mental illness is just a big ol’ laugh. Also, shockingly, I don’t check my Disqus activity every day, because I’m not obsessed with what you have to say?
“DId something change in the last two weeks where the words “I’m sorry” followed by an admission of guilt not qualify as an apology?”
Except you didn’t admit guilt.
“I’m sorry, I was just trolling. But *you* brought up her sexuality with the lesbian thing though. By starting like that the conversation was intrinsically geared towards where I took it.”
You placed all the guilt on me for mentioning lesbians. All you did for yourself was make excuses.
“This was funny at first how i managed to string you along but now it’s just sad. ”
That you keep going on about this without giving an honest apology, and how pissed off you got at being called out on your non-apology? Yeah, that is pretty sad. As is your thinking being an asshole is somehow funny and a sign of moral and intellectual superiority.
He DID give an honest apology, but you refuse to accept it because it’s more important to you to have an axe to grind. He’s sorry he offended you. But he is NOT (nor does he HAVE to be) sorry that his mind went somewhere different than yours does when the topic is brought up. But you jumped in as the self-appointed Thought Police.
How much longer are you going to keep beating a dead horse just because you feel entitled to lecture people based on the size of the chip on your shoulder?
I’m going to preface this with the fact that I have to get up in a few hours, so this may not be my best logic at the moment. However, clearing up the original issue, I think the problem was based on the insinuation that lesbians only had value as entertainment for non-lesbians. I understand (not particularly agree with, but understand) Scott’s original comedic intention, but the occasional inability to tell between well-meaning, lovable, garden variety asshole; and the purest of asses birthed in the twin infernos of ignorance and hatred, sparked the ensuing (for lack of a better word) shitstorm. If this is going to be constructive in any way, everyone (yes, everyone) should just step back for a second, tone down the emotion and opinion, and try to work through this logically and amicably. Alternatively, if you don’t feel like you can make a particular difference and/or that this conversation can only lead in a negative direction for all involved, just leave. You’re not fighting against mindless ghouls from under the largest rocks conceivable, you’re trying to have an argument with other webcomic reading nerds.
But, hey, I have to wake up in five hours. Hope everything works out well for you all, good intentions all ’round.
Thanks for that. I really was just being a troll to begin with, although I may have taken it too far. I’m normally a really good person and have no disrespect or anything for lesbians considering my youngest sister is gay, my bi gf’s best friend is les and in two days I’m hanging out with one of my best friends who is a mtf trans lesbian; so really, I have nothing but good intentions towards the lgbtq+ community. This actually was just an out of control shitstorm.
Eh, alright. Still would’ve liked an actual apology rather than “I’m sorry, but this is totally all your fault anyway”, but this sounds alright.
Thank you. Can we drop this conversation now?
You said he gave an honest apology? Hahahahaha — oh, wait, you’re serious. Let me laugh even louder then. HAHAHAHAHA! Once again — he placed all the blame for the incident on me. That’s NOT an apology.
There was no ‘incident’ until you made it one, so yes, the ‘incident’ was your fault. The fact that you view others reacting to a statement differently than you and not sharing your opinion as an ‘incident’ says a lot.
Yo, lesbians != porn
When lesbians are mentioned I normally associate it with my gay sister.
My sister != porn
Fair enough :) My apologies, it was not my intent to put words in your mouth, I was simply trying to illustrate to our strident friend that even if someone DOES associate lesbians with pornography in their mind, it’s not some sort of crime against humanity ;)
Only if you define the nature of the incident specifically to claim that. I consider the incident to have started when he randomly brought up porn on my comment. That said, this discussion is supposed to be finished, so could you lay off and dial back the weird homophobia-dressed-up-so-it’s-vaguely-socially-acceptable?
Ahh, and there it is at last. The ‘homophobia’ slur. You can’t actually bear to admit any opinion might be valid other than your own, so you resort to the smear. So… you get to be smug and self-righteous, lecture others ad nauseum, demand their compliance, and then get throw out baseless slurs and STILL maintain some sort of ‘moral authority’?
No, sorry, don’t think so. As I said before, I don’t have any particular horse in this race, I just reject the sort of intellectual bullying you’ve been throwing around for literally weeks now.
There remains NOTHING wrong with associating lesbians with pornography, any more than associating heterosexual relations with pornography. There is, however, something socially distasteful about you demanding others kowtow to your overly-sensitive sense of moral indignation, demand apologies left, right and center, then demand others ‘drop it’ after you refuse to admit that you might ever, ever, EVER be even the tiniest bit in the wrong.
It’s not a slur in any circumstance — that’s not how slurs work — and it’s literally accurate. Your claims about lesbianism are homophobic, attempting to paint it as intentionally “perverse” or “sexual” in a way that silences discussion in “polite society” and justifies hiding it from children.
Mayhaps you could shut up, and also stop stalking me to yell at me on entirely different sites? Like, you’ve already started that.
Yep! I made some comments here, and this asshole chased me there to yell at me incoherently.
‘Yelled incoherently’… right… you’re all about the hyperbole, here AND elsewhere.
So… please tell me where I have attempted to paint homosexuality as ‘perverse’. Go ahead. Read my comments here. All of them. I’ll wait.
My objection to you has NEVER been based on sexuality, it has been based on your willingness to browbeat others just because a concept doesn’t necessarily mean the same thing to them as it does to you.
Your intentional mischaracterization of this continues to smack of a desperate attempt to claim a sort of ‘moral high ground’ you most certainly do not deserve.
Antagonism = hiding behind words and arguments that are ALMOST circular and can confuse. Being verbose is not a good way to frame your arguments. Concise and direct. Skewers arguments faster and with less ruffled plumage.
Wouldn’t want his/her world.
Eh, watching you flip out over fairly mild criticism was fun, but this is getting boring.
PEOPLE exist as people. Lesbians exist as a group of people defined by their sexual identity, just as Germans exist as a group of people defined by their national identity, Lawyers exist as a group of people defined by their professional identity, and Kayakers exist as a group of people defined by their leisure pursuits. These subsets of people overlap. But if one chooses to identify oneself by one’s sexual identity in a conversation, one shouldn’t be overly surprised if subsequent conversation tends to focus on that aspect of identity.
It… didn’t, though. It wasn’t a focus on being sexually or romantically attracted to women. It was a joke about how any mention of us is the same as bringing up porn. Maybe you could… be less of an utter creep who’s defending another utter creep?
Ah, the ad hominem attack! I’m not certain what you’re trying to prove by calling people ‘creeps’, other than make yourself feel better by belittling others. It certainly does nothing to advance your argument.
And yes, in fact, you DID choose to identify yourself by your sexual orientation in your second comment. Then adopted a very large chip on your shoulder when subsequent conversation focused on sex. If one becomes offended when the conversation drifts into aspects of sexuality that make you uncomfortable, including the fact that your sexual orientation is enticing to others in the general sense, then perhaps you should steer clear of leading with it in the future. As it stands, it feels like you lead with the topic for the express purpose of offering yourself a chance to self-righteously lecture others.
In short, if you want to be seen as a whole person, don’t identify yourself as one aspect of one and then expect everyone else to comport themselves to your rules for how to react to that specific aspect. If you can’t abide by that, you should avoid bringing it up.
Problem with the ad hominem accusation: We’re not having a debate. I’m not debating my own existence as something that exists outside of sex and porn, that’s ridiculous. If you expect me to do that, you do it first.
Your existence is not at issue, nor was it ever. You’ve gone from ad hominem to straw man. Your existence as a PERSON exists outside of sexually-related matters. Your existence as a lesbian? Less so. Unless you have chosen to conflate lesbianism with your personhood. Which doesn’t seem like a particularly broad view of life.
Actually, it does exist outside of sexual matters. Still gay even when I’m not having sex, shockingly. Most gay people are. Sexuality isn’t a conditional that only applies during the sex act. Also, romantic interest, which you’re ignoring. Nice, though?
Another straw man you’ve constructed there. I never said your identity as a lesbian was restricted ONLY to sexual matters, but that it was more restricted to it than your identity as a person. However, what you cannot deny is that a ‘lesbian’ identity IS, perforce, by definition, a sexual identity, whatever else it might mean TO YOU. Therefore, to get very self-righteous and lecture others when they focus on the sexual aspects of that identity remains uncalled-for.
At this point, I think your remarkable persistence in this matter is less about asserting your personhood and more about just trying to feel superior.
That’s… not a strawman. You’re defending the suggestion of bringing up porn just at the mention of lesbians by saying that lesbianism is a “sexual identity” such that bringing it up is inherently sexual and leads to sexual discussion. That’s suggesting that the identity has no existence or meaning outside of sex.
Incorrect. It’s suggesting that the identity is always defined, at least in part, by matters relating to sex. Given that it is defined by the biological sex to whom one is attracted, it is inarguable that this is the case. The problem comes in that you have taken a relatively narrow identifier and made it stand for your entire personhood. I reiterate that this is an needlessly narrow definition of personhood and a problematically broad definition of ‘lesbian’. But the issue is not, nor has it ever been, one of definitions. It is about your refusal to accept other people’s reactions to a word that is primarily a definition of sexual identity as valid, to the point of berating them endlessly, continuous moral posturing, and refusal to let the matter drop.
It’s called having a chip on your shoulder, daring anyone to knock it off, just to give you an excuse to lay into them. You’ve got a big one, and I suggest once again that you just let it go.
Kinda like defining straight. One can identify it as having some sexual context (and subtext) to its qualifying category. Sometimes I hate categories as they can be used to oppress people and groups. How would you like to be categorized into the margins. I wouldn’t. If everyone were to be COMPLETELY categorized. we would most likely be among ourselves.
Maybe.. but I was guessing that shes more of a Pushy big sister type figure. not a literal sister, but someone whose very pushy and dominearing that gets iris into trouble.
I’m a lesbian outside that context, existing as people!
Let’s start a queer cosmic horror club, so we can talk about how gender technically doesn’t exist as well as the tentacles coming out of the floor.
Do you mean that in a TERFy way, or a trans-positive way?
Oh, in the trans positive way!
I will always find ways to garble my words, I tell you
Lesbians do indeed exist outside porn. But lesbianism is inherently sexual, as the thing that makes lesbians lesbians is who they have sex with. It’s ridiculous to throw around the term lesbian and think you aren’t going to bring sex to mind. Please go back to tumblr.
Lmao I thought this was going to be something about not downplaying the importance of sex in many lesbian relationships and trying to sanitise gayness for strait people but no you just wanted me to know how I’m a ‘triggered sjw’
:: eyes long conversation / argument thread, backs away slooowly ::
Yeah, good call. I actually read the whole thing, for better or for worse. I came to several conclusions, but one stand-out was that “holy crap someone DOES has a chip on their shoulder.”
Staying away was a wiser choice, despite the other illuminating and positive points that came out of the thread..
Damn son, look at those PANTS.
A S T E T I C
Ha! I thought it would be a woman. Turns out I was right!
Me, too. I was actually surprised so many people seemed to be assuming she was a fella.
Probably a desire for a rival to get Zane all riled up, you know how people love these “love-triangle” dramas.
If I were one to search through the archives for that part where Zane and Iris are very confused and offput by the fact that they might be considered a couple, I would. I believe it was at the field hospital place just out of town.
Mayor Osgood: Do you know this woman Iris?
Iris: O.O’ … Don’tknowwhoyourtalkingabout,
I cracked up at the “goodbye” in your sentence, as it reminded me of @mikeyface on the chainsawsuit podcast…
Is Mayor just thinking that’s a bit weird or having secret agendas…maybe both.
I am excited to meet the gang…so many potential new characters, even if they only hang around a little, anyone new in the town of Broodhollow is gona upset things (good? bad?).
Every new page a blessing, I say
I’m thinking it’s more like a grandfatherly, “Oh, dear, I hate it when she hangs out with people like “that”, they’ll just drag her down into their lowclass ways.” Just concerned in a “judge-y” way. Iris seems to be almost ashamed to be seen with her.
And Ev’s awfully aggressive and inconsiderate of Iris’ space and taste.
She would never see herself that way, of course. Iris is too shy to tell her that. Ever. Also, it would make her feel like she was being mean.
You nailed it.
I don’t think this is a question of sex. Notice that Iris is not blushing, just has the worried/anxious mouth and eye crinkles…
And Ev’s side parted hair? Cutting edge!
Seems like more than a “frenemy” situation here. Can’t wait to see what the story is :)
Hmmm, seems like something more intense than an old “frenemy” popping up. Can’t wait to see what the trauma….er, story is between these two :)
Perhaps a long lost step-sister? Who always refused to observe the town’s holiday tradition/obsession? The town’s designated black sheep?
I don’t feel like she’s from Broodhollow,”Long time no see” from the last page n the town being pretty small and all.
For a second when I first read the page I had a thought which went along the lines of “Oh, the gang must be the Bottlefly boys but one of them is dead, Iris must be stressed to tell ‘er” then I like…thought it out
I’m thinking it’s someone Iris grew up with, stepsister or cousin or some childhood friend, who rebeled against the town’s “old-folk” way of life. Who wasn’t approved of, and left town for the “big-city life”. Suddenly coming back is a shock because it’s reopening wounds from the past. I think Iris is ashamed to be seen with her, and feels guilty about it, because her friend obviously likes Iris a lot. ….or maybe it’s because she suspects Ms. E. to be a monster :)
As the father of a teenaged girl, I suggest that you not be so quick to assume someone loudly chummy to another girl in such a manner is actually anything like a friend.
You’re making me think of Planchet (spelling, ech) when you say that :) Loud and chummy can be obnoxious, yes, but I get a different feeling here :)
You’ve got good instinct, so I’ll not be surprised if you’re right and I wrong.
As an example of your perspicacity, and speaking of Plantchet (sp?), when I was on the cusp of ten years old, I announced that “I aspire to cootdom” … meaning I wanted to be one of those cranky old guys shaking his cane at teens driving their cars too fast and loud down the local thoroughfare.
I wouldn’t say you’re wrong, I just get the feeling there’s a (delightfully) complicated background story here :)
Paradoxically, Occam’s razor seems to indicate you’re right … about the complication.
Yep, there’s that problem I call, “I’ll never forget good ‘ole what’shisname”, i.e. the “mass-amnesia” Broodhollowians all have. Ms. E.’s probably been away, so her memory’s not affected, I bet. So it’s going to be fun to watch when they start talking about “the good old days”.
Oh man, is this where we find out that Iris has a dark, shady past?
Iris is super young according to the ‘cast’ page, so I don’t see it being that dark/shady (unless they did 1 super dark and shady thing)
okay, I know I’m probably the black sheep in saying this, but to me, it seems the new character here might not be as much a “she” as it appears at initial glance. I keep pinging off as “a guy in a wig and makeup” looking at the character’s design. Is that unusual? I mean, it’s certainly possible, and it’d definitely be one of those things that would be ostracized for someone who is flamboyant about that.
Well Iris specifies “Ladies’ business” so, nah
I respect that, but I’m probably going to indicate that it might be more or less because she’s hoping that he looks like a lady enough to have that excuse fly. You know?
Even though I doubt that’s what’s going on, I have to say that I like that idea and I salute your creative thinking.
What the heck dude
That’s a real roundabout way to be a ding dong you know
He seems to have some pretty impressive boobs. ‘_’
Why is Mayor Osgood always outside saying hello to people? Doesn’t he have… mayor stuff to do?
In Broodhollow, that IS Mayor stuff. If someone isn’t there to greet the Harbinger when it comes, it’s going to be a bad day for us all.
I’m sure the Mayor and his friends would put together a very nice “We surrender the town to you” ceremony. Followed by a nice potluck dinner. Then a new holiday would be added to the list…”Surrender Day”. (Probably some nice Latin phrase for that, eh?)
I think you mean out side saying Hello Hello Hello to people ;)
So Iris is a gangster moll hiding out with her stolen loot until the heat dies down?
*folds hands and prays* Please please please be what it looks like, I love Iris so much and queer representation in horror means so much to me and if Iris has a gay former love interest my soul will depart my body and fly away into the clouds.
Wait wait wait wait WAIT. I can understand Hiating-out to recuperate, and taking his time to make sure that’s the Broods are as Hollow as they can be before posting…
But why did Christopher Strobe not tell us that Syfy’s “Channel Zero” premiered last month??? This warranted a post here, SURELY, since it’s first 6-episode story is adapted from his own work! Candle Cove, man!
Ahem, hmm, well, Mr. Strobe (as you say), isn’t exactly one to shout all of his business from a rooftop, hmm, yes…
As you may have gleaned from his “Great Work” here in Broodhollow, Mr. “Strobe” tends towards modesty and subtleness… until he has you lean closer to hear his softly spoken
He mentioned it only a few times. So modest, our benefactor is :) Check out his youtube channel and subscribe, it’s awesome sauce.
i just read 4 years worth of comic in as many hours, now I’m dreading how much waiting I’ll have to do.
I can relate, because I did something similiar a few months ago. Just makes me glad I did it before the long break. It’s hard enough waiting for the comic when it’s every few days :) Great things are worth waiting for, eh?
My, my, wearing pants?!? In THIS day and age?
GASP! SHE HAS ACTUAL SHOES! NOT FOOTY PYJAMAS LIKE ANY SANE PERSON WOULD! YE GODS, THAT IS UNNATURAL!! KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!
Good luck with that. Shoes are not as flammable as footy p.j.s are.
Who knew “Inflammable” meant “flammable”?
My father drove a liquid propane tanker for many years. They always had WARNING: INFLAMMABLE GAS on the side, in big red letters. Very funny when I was five, believe me :)
Mine was a funny quote from “The Simpsons”.
Hey, Potato, watch out for the flames and stuff! You could become tender and crispy and roasted and…
I gotta go, it’s lunchtime.
Nothing wrong with mocking the “mother tongue”, believe me. George Carlin used to do several standup routines about the weirdness of our language. One involved “flammable” vs. “inflammable”. I need to look that one up for nostalgia’s sake.
Also not to be confused with “inflamed” :)
WE’LL FIND A WAY!! LET THE CLEANSING FLAME WASH AWAY HER FOOT-BASED IMPURITIES!!
So, she remembered this chick but not that her dad was dead?
Maybe because annoying chicks are harder to forget? I guess that would make Planchett (spelling, ugh) completely unforgettable :)
Never really had a chance to say Kris, but this webcomic has been a pleasure to read since the beginning. The art style is rather different from most of what I was reading at the point when I began reading this back in 2014, even if I have taken a few breaks in between, yet it so simplistic and detailed overall and I thrilled to have found your series. I remember how I had to not try and read it during the evening, as it would not help me in getting to sleep (anxiety), yet I could not help wanting to know what would happen next.
Even with all you are going through, I know you can do it! I will patiently await all the more story line to come (I love the comment section, so many good theories over the past few years). ^_^
What has happened with Kris?? I wasn’t aware of any problems. Have gone off as I read all my comics in bursts and here I’m back, two months later, and there are only two pages? Is Kris on hiatus? Health problems? Is everything going to be ok? -worried
Oh, I am sorry to have worried you. This is the last thing I could find, it’s mainly just restructuring things for the site as well as producing the story, so don’t be alarmed.
Well, well… looks like Iris took a little walk on the wild side at some point… interesting!
Scenic Broodhollow, where the unreliable narrator is the only character I can believe in.
Like “Crouch End”, in the best ways.
I’m baffled that this comic is one of the few comics out there that has a very well written story.
It’s so hard to find a web comic with ACTUAL good writing in it. And one with a interesting plot as well.
I’m hopin this turns into some sort of reverse Sandy-from-Grease situation. Like, if Iris was a huge trouble making, leather wearing, chain smoking rapscallion in her youth.
Just realized, and love, the irony of beginning an unplanned 3 month hiatus right after a character says “Never a time like the present.”
Can’t express how happy I am so see new material up here :) Months of drifting aimlessly (though enjoyably) through Chainsawsuit, waiting for this!
Been quite sometime since an update… Kris mentioned he was getting someone else to take over. I can only assume the cloning process is not quite complete.